Rev. Joseph Hull Part I – Neither Fish Nor Fowl (1596 -1641)

I have just returned from a research trip to Boston and Cape Cod with my friends Laura and Val. Our goal was to flesh out the lives of our Mayflower and Great Migration ancestors beyond their birth, death and migration dates.  We all had quite a bit of success at the New England Historical and Genealogical Society and then our visit to Plymouth, Barnstable and Sandwich “rounded” out the trip by seeing the actual places the early settlers made their new home.

My family patriarchs from this early period are George Soule (Mayflower passenger and servant to Winslow 1620), Rev. Joseph Hull (Migration 1635), George Allen (Migration 1635), Joseph Holway (Migration 1637-1640), Michael Turner (Migration by 1637/38), Thomas Hunt (Migration by 1637) and Edward Jessup (Migration by 1647).  While all of them have compelling stories to tell, Rev. Joseph Hull is by far the most controversial of all of them and the focus of my blogs for the coming weeks.

My ancestor Rev. Joseph Hull (1596-1665) was born in Crewkerne, Somerset and  was educated as a minister at St. Mary’s Hall at Oxford. He appears to have had a successful rectorship at Northleigh, Devonshire for 11 years, but he resigns in 1632. He moves to Broadway in Somersetshire and is Rector here in 1633-1634. Some researches have speculated that he may have wanted to be near Rev. Richard Barnard, an Anglican minister with non-conformist inclinations and who had spent time with Separatists William Brewster and John Robinson. (Interesting note – Rev. Barnard’s daughter Mary marries Roger Williams in 1629. We will hear more about him later.) It was here that Rev. Hull gathers his own group of immigrants and leaves for New England in 1635.

These were turbulent times in England under Charles I. Most of these early immigrants were looking for religious freedom to practice Puritanism and for economic opportunity.  Charles I did not look favorably on the Puritans and Separatists who challenged the Anglican Church and ultimately his authority as head of the church. They could be arrested and persecuted for simply holding a church service in their home with their own “elected” minister. I point this out because the very thing that had occurred to them in England is exactly what they did to others who did not share their point of view in New England. Rev. Hull is listed as a minister in the ship’s manifest, which implies that he was not hiding his profession and did not fear the authorities preventing him from leaving. He was still a “practicing” Anglican, even if he had Puritan beliefs.

On his arrival in Boston, he is made a freeman in the Massachusetts Bay Colony and given leave to settle with his group in the new town of Weymouth.  He only stays here for a year and it is attributed to the fact that he is one of 3 ministers living there. One of his “rival” ministers was a strong Puritan, the Rev. Thomas Jenner.  Rev. Hull decides to move to Hingham, but only resides here until 1639.

Rev. Hull, Richard Collicutt and Thomas Dimmock receive a grant from Governor Bradford of Plymouth Colony (which was a little more “liberal” than Massachusetts Bay Colony).  Hull and Dimmock move to Barnstable to build a new town and he is elected Deputy. Unfortunately, this is a disaster almost from the beginning too. Wouldn’t you know another Puritan minister Rev. Lathrop moves in right away and proves to be more popular.  Rev. Hull isn’t reelected Deputy and he has lost his “Mr.” title in the records by 1641. Seeing a theme? Poor Rev. Hull is in the wrong place and the wrong time and it appears as if there isn’t a place to live at this point in history for a minister who is more “middle of the road”.   It gets worse….

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40 Responses to Rev. Joseph Hull Part I – Neither Fish Nor Fowl (1596 -1641)

  1. Marjorie Arp says:

    Why is Rev. Joseph Hull be written out of the history of Barnstable? If you visit Sturgis Library you never hear his name mentioned.

    • Leon Clinton Hull says:

      Part of the Sturgis Library was the home of Reverend John Lothrop, who excommunicated Joseph Hull for preaching without permission in the neighboring town of Yarmouth. When i published “New England Dreams,” my novel based on the life of Reverend Joseph Hull, i was invited to give a talk at the Sturgis Library in order (as they put it) to give the other side of the story. Copies of my novels are available in the library. Also, in the genealogy room the have a folder of material on Joseph Hull, most of which was prepared by Phyllis Hughes, the genealogist for the Hull Family Association. For more information about my novel, see the HFA website at:
      Clint Hull, Yarmouth Port, MA

      • Rachelle says:

        I wish I could have been there to hear your defense of Rev. Hull! Can’t wait to read your novels. Thank you for getting in touch.

      • Connie L Hull says:

        Hi Clint.
        I am Connie Hull a direct descendant of Rev. Joseph Hull. I did try to click on your link but said not available, I would so love to read your book and also find out more about the Hull family association. I didn’t realize there was such a thing. I agree with Rachelle I would have loved to hear your side of it. Because Lythorp was not a good person. I am also a direct descendant of Mary Dyer who the Puritans didn’t like either and killed her. First women in America killed for her beliefs.
        Thank you so much for any help you can give me.
        Connie Hull, Victor, NY.

      • Rachelle says:

        Connie, I don’t know if Clint is receiving notifications from the blog or not. I did find the link that gives information on how to order his book. Hope this helps:

      • Connie L Hull says:

        Thank you so much

      • Connie L Hull says:

        Thank you for the link. Great link too.

  2. Kate says:

    Thanks for the great history lesson! We are also descended from Rev. Hull and Joanna Bursley. Mom and I will be trekking up to New England/Cape Cod to trod across some of the same land in two weeks. Your blogs will help “lead the way” for us! Thank you again!

    • Rachelle says:

      So glad you enjoyed the blog and the information was helpful. Have a wonderful vacation and be sure to let me know if you find any additional information or sites to see!

  3. Cindy says:

    Can I ask how you found the memorial marker on this page that reference Thomas Dimmock and Joseph Hull? I spent several hours this weekend driving around Barnstable looking at every marker I could find, but never found this one. Could you provide a location? (I am also a Rev. Hull descendent)

    • Rachelle says:

      I never physically found it when I was there either. I had seen the pictures on the internet and looked in town when I was there, but it wasn’t in any of the obvious places. I stopped at the Sturgis Library and they didn’t know either. However, when I got back to Seattle they had e-mailed me the information they got from their local historian Dave Crocker. Here is it…
      The Dimmock stone marker sits across Route 6A opposite the county farm road.
      The other one can be seen directly across from the Lothrop Hill cemetery. It is near the sidewalk in front of the house there. I gave a slide lecture about all the markers along Route 6A, from the Sandwich line right down to Yarmouth Port. These two markers were described.

      Hope to see it in person next time I get back to Massachusetts!

      • Cindy says:

        Thank you so much! I looked it up that spot on Googlemaps and can’t see it and I know I passed that spot at least a half dozen times so it must be well hidden. I guess I’ll just have to find an excuse to go back there and finally find it. If I do, I’ll let you know.

      • Rachelle says:

        Yes, please do let me know if you find it!

      • James kent says:

        Rev joseph Hull had a daughter Dorothy Hull she married Oliver kent .These are my grand parents 11 generations past. Thank you for the location of the memorial I’m going to visit soon and didn’t know the location either. Oliver and Dorothy were original settlers of the oyster river plantation Durham New Hampshire.

      • Rachelle says:

        James, I hope you find the memorial and get a good picture of it! I keep hoping to get back there but my genealogy travels are taking me to Mississippi and Washington D.C. this year on other family lines. I still need to read more about Rev. Hull’s other children and the Oyster River Plantation sounds interesting.

      • James kent says:

        The oyster river plantation the original settlement consisted of 300 settlers . In 1694 one of the bloodiest massacres occurred killing or taking hostages one of whom was a relative Hannah Kent she married a man named Watson he was killed in the raid she was taked hostage and removed to Canada. She was released came home re married and lived happily ever after.Reverend Joseph Hull help found that settlement. Hull also founded on of the first churches on the isle of shoals and ministered to the fisherman there that was one of his favorite assignments . He died there no one knows where he is buried.

      • Rachelle says:

        Yes, I knew about the Isle of Shoals but I didn’t know much about the Oyster River Plantation. Your comments make me want to learn more. Thanks for reading my posts!

  4. Connie says:

    I have found this so interesting I am also a descendant of the Rev Joseph Hull. Joseph Hull’s father never came to the US but was named Thomas, I come from the Capt. Tristram Hull line. Capt. Tristram also was rather courageous one story told by a Colonel Hull in is pamphlet of how Captain Tristram Hull once in direct violation of the law helped and old church member who had been banished and fined for “raising his voice” against the Quaker persecution. He helped him out of the his trouble, took him by force on his his ship and carried him to Sandwich, MA., where he left him.
    From Capt. Tristram who married Blanch I descend from his son
    Joseph and his first wife Experience Harper who lived in Rhode Island and Barnstable MA.
    They had son Tristram who I also come from
    Tristram married Elizabeth Dyer. She was the daughter of Charles and Mary Dyer and Granddaughter of William and Mary Dyer the only women to be hanged for her religious belief and preaching in the Puritan Boston MA. Not for being a witch but for being a Christian of a different faith.
    Tristram and Elizabeth had a son several but I come from Stephen
    then Stephen married Martha Morey He lived in R.I. then to Stonington CT the several children and I come from their son
    Elias I came from his first wife Mary Campbell He lived in Charlestown NH..but fought in the Revolutionary war for R.I Then from that couple was born Horace Hull he lived in Charlestown NH and married Tryphena Downer daughter of Dr. Abram Downer who was a doctor in the battle of Bennington in the Revolutionary war who married Lois Able.
    Horace and Tryphena they both died in Charlestown NH. I came from their first born son not child.
    Abram Downer Hull and his second wife Millia Augusta Baldwin, buried in Charlestown NH. had one daughter she didn’t marry. They are buried in Charlestown NH, Abram was a sheriff in Charlestown for a number of years.They had three sons 3 living sons Albert Ernest, Arthur Egerton and Galen Downer as far as I know neither the last two had any children. Arthur moved to MA buried in Charlestown, NH and Galen died in Durham NC but buried in Charlestown, NH. Both married.but the one I am descended from was….
    Albert Ernest Hull moved to Frankfort, Kansas, he married married Elethia Dwinnell in Frankfort KS. both buried in Frankfort Kansas. They had 4 children only two had issue and only had one son
    Abram Downer Hull number # 2 who in fact went to Charlestown NH for a year or two and went to school there and stayed with his Grandpa Abram Downer Hull and grandma Millia Augusta.
    Abram Downer Hull #2 married Elsie May Thomas in rural Woodston Kansas. They are buried there in the Spring Branch Cemetery in Rural Woodston KS They had two daughters one with no issue and 2 sons I come from the first son..
    Downer (Lee) Hull called Lee who married Thelma Eileen Kelly called Kelly Hull because she didn’t like her other two names. also buried in Spring Branch Cemetery Rural Woodston, KS They had three children I am the youngest..
    I am Connie Lee Hull I have lived in Plainville, Woodston, Hays, Alton, Downs, KS, Corpus Christi TX, Memphis TN, Spokane, WA, St Charles, St. Louis, and St. Peters MO, Keene and Winchester NH I had a daughter who married and I have son Shane Andrew Hull (McNeal) he now lives in Montpelier VT did live in Keene, Charlestown, and North Walpole New Hampshire. Plus Hays and Woodston KS, St. Charles, St. Peters MO. he has a son who is 12 at this writing who is Julian Andrew Hull. upto the present generation So that traces me all the way to the Rev. Joseph Hull. This might help others too who are tracing family history..

    • Rachelle says:

      I too am from Capt. Tristram’s line, but from his daughter Mary who married Joseph Holoway. The same Holoway’s that became Quakers. I found your connection to the Capt’s son Tristram and Mary Dyer fascinating. The Hulls were a brave and independent family for sure! Thanks for sharing your family history.

    • Leon Clinton Hull says:

      I am a descendant of Rev. Joseph Hull, his son Tristram, and his son John, who resettled from Barnstable to Jamestown, Rhode island. I’m working on a trilogy of historical novels dealing with these three generations of my immigrant ancestors. Two of these, based on the lives of Rev. Joseph and Captain Tristram, are in print. The third, dealing with John and Joseph (Tristram’s sons) is in progress. For more information, see the Hull Family Association website at:

      • Rachelle says:

        How wonderful that you have written these books about our ancestors! I definitely want to purchase them. I have not found very many resources on Tristram. What books or articles have you found most helpful in your research about him?

  5. Connie says:

    Thank you for your response. I’m so glad you found that interesting. Nice to meet a cousin. Loved your article on Joseph Hull. I would say the Hull’s are still brave and an independent family!

  6. John Poole says:

    Thank you for sharing your history. My 8th great-grandfather was Edward Pool, listed as a servant to George Allen on the passenger list of Rev. Hull’s company. Have you by chance come across a reference to Edward? Edward’s son Joseph is my 7th great-grandfather and I have wondered if he is named for Joseph Hull.

    • Rachelle says:

      John, I have been corresponding with your sister and mentioned to her that I haven’t been working on Rev. Hull in quite a few years, so I am rusty on the Hull genealogy! I don’t recall seeing Edward Pool except in the manifest of the passengers. Funny, but I am also related to George Allen through his daughter Rose who married Joseph Holloway. I think Joseph was a popular biblical name for Puritans to name their children. But, Joseph Hull was a compelling figure (liked and hated), children could have been named after him by those who admired him. What type of connections have you found between Edward Poole, the Allen’s and Hull prior to migration? Do you know much about Edward’s life in England?

  7. Bernie Corace says:

    Thank you for your informative blog. My children and I are descended from Rev. Hull through his son Capt Benjamin Hull who appears to be born in Hingham in 1639. Do you have any information on him?

  8. dawn Simpson says:

    I am related Joanna Agnes Coffin to Cpt Benjamin Hull who is my 10th Great Grandfather, our family now resides in County Durham England 😀

    • Rachelle says:

      Oh, how wonderful you are so close to doing all your English research! Not to mention just being in England is pretty fabulous all by itself.

  9. Kay Keeshan says:

    My husband and I visited Cape Cod a year ago, and specifically wanted to visit Barnstable. Joseph Hull is my husband’s 8x great grandfather and Rev. John Lathrop is my husband’s 10x great grandfather. What a combination. While we were touring the Sturgis Library we met a lady who was researching her family – Lathrop. She was from Alabama which is where we live. Small world.
    We found numerous plaques along the road relating to Hull. Me, being from the south, I asked several people where big rocks with plaques were located. Now I know why they looked at me strangely. Barnstable is covered with big rocks, unlike my part of the world! Loved Barnstable. Wish we had been able to spend more time there researching.

    • Rachelle says:

      That is so funny that your husband is related to both Joseph Hull and John Lathrop! Our ancestors give us some interesting stories to tell. I would love to go back to Cape Cod to research and just enjoy the beauty of the area. I need to go to Alabama to do some research too… can’t wait until we can do that again. Happy researching!

  10. Susan Fisher McClure says:

    I am writing this on Oct. 18, 2020. I am visiting my daughter and family in Boston. She is doing a year’s pediatric fellowship at Boston Children’s. Yesterday we drove to Cape Cod, but by the time we returned it was getting dark; spent too much time in Hyannis Port. But we did drive through a dusk, Barnstable since I wanted to get a feel for the area. Even though I have belonged to the Hull Family Association since 2018 and I had seen some information I unfortunately did not review it until this morning. I descend via my 2nd great grandparents from both of Hull’s wives. Tristram (James Babcock) and Naomi (Esther Daniel’s Babcock), Joseph Hull was my 8th great grandparent.My hope is to leave my adult kids and my grandkids not only their family trees, but also the historical context of their role in Colonial America. Thank you for other resources I need to check out. Until a few years ago, I did not realize how many Colonial Ancestors I had. Flor may hearts, I just thought it was my Quakers who arrived in PA about 1680.

    • Rachelle says:

      So happy you are getting to visit your daughter and do a little travel around Massachusetts. It is such a beautiful place to spend time! The Hulls are a fascinating family and I particularly like Tristram and his connections to the Quakers. Good luck with your research and getting things ready to pass to your children/grandchildren. I am trying to do the same thing, but keep getting distracted by another project with another line!

  11. Jill Piggott says:

    Your 3 essays on Joseph Hull are exceptional. (I’m a retired English & philosophy professor and don’t use words like “exceptional” lightly.) I’ve included them (with the note “well-sourced, well-written”) to the Hull bibliography attached to Hull’s free and more-accurate-than-Ancestry Family Search entry. I came to your site today hoping to find your full name so I can credit your work that way. At present, your entries in the bibliography are credited to “Ascending the Stairs.”

    I occasionally write for Wikipedia and am working on an extensive (well-sourced and hopefully well-written) update of Rev Joseph’s entry. I quote you. Can I credit you by name or should I use “Ascending the Stairs”? If there’s any chance you’d be interested in reading (and adding to or correcting) the Wiki entry before I post it, let me know that, too. I’m retired because I went into migraine full time, so I work very, very, very slowly, and I keep finding new Hull things to read.

    The mythical figure “Joanna Coffin Hull” is the bane of my existence, since people see the mistake EVERYWHERE and take apart Hull’s Family Search entry without first reading the Life Sketch I wrote, laying out the evidence that she conclusively never existed. I’ll post that separately. At present, Hull is married to “First Wife NOT Joanna Coffin.” No doubt by 7 pm, she’ll be Joanna Coffin again. (Now you see why your scholarship was such a hit with me!)

    I’m glad we’re (albeit distant) cousins, and I hope you are safe and well. –Jill

  12. Jill Piggott says:

    Joanna Coffin as Hull’s 1st wife has been thoroughly debunked. Here’s the evidence:

    1. Professional genealogist Phyllis Hughes wrote “The Myth of Joanna Coffin.” She was able to trace the theory to an early 20th-century book about the family, where the writer (Orre Eugene Monnette) speculates that Hull’s unnamed 1st wife might be Joanna Coffin because 1) her oldest child was named Joanna and 2) a Coffin family lived near the Hulls.

    Hughes searched English parish records and found that Peter Coffin’s daughter Joanna was baptized 29 Dec 1616 in Brixton, Devon, England. “Immediately, I saw that the date of her baptism would not support the conclusion that she had married the Rev. Joseph Hull for she was much too young.” Joanna Coffin was likely only 3 years old when Hull married for the first time.

    Hughes, Phyllis J. “The Myth of Joanna Coffin, Given as First Wife of the Rev. Joseph Hull, 1635 Immigrant.” HFA Journal v 12, n 1 (spring 2001): p 23. Extended excerpt in First Wife Hull’s sources (G41Z-P5J) on Family Search.

    2. In her article on “Common Errors in the Joseph Hull Line,” Phyllis Hughes writes, “Rev. Joseph Hull did not marry Joanna Coffin, as his first wife. There is also no proven evidence that Rev. Joseph even married a Joanna. It is well documented that the given name of his second wife was Agnes, but her surname is unknown; there is absolutely no evidence that she was Agnes Coffin.”

    Hughes, Phyllis J. “Common Errors on the Internet, ‘The Hull Family in America’ (pub 1913), and in Other Published Records.”

    3. locked Hull’s entry to prevent the addition of Joanna Coffin as his wife. Their curator explains:

    “Rev. Joseph Hull was not married to Joanna Coffin! … You still see the name in various published genealogies, because other researchers copied Monnette [whose speculation set the myth in motion], and still others copied them.”


    4. “The Great Migration Project, on review of documents related to Joseph, declares that the only evidence that Joseph even had a first wife is the age of his wife Agnes in 1635 (25) and the fact that she was still bearing children in 1652. There is no evidence that she was named Joan, and no evidence that she was Joane Coffin, as often listed.”


    5. “Great Migration” entry for Hull’s 1st wife reads “Unknown Unknown m Joseph Hull before 1620. Mother of Joanna (Hull) Davis, Joseph Hull Jr, Tristram Hull, Temperance (Hull) Bickford, Elizabeth (Hull) Heard, Griselda Hull and Dorothy Hull. Died before 1633 in England.”


    6. Joseph Hull’s Find-a-Grave is correct: “The Reverend Joseph Hull (1595-1665) was born in England, the son of Thomas Hull and his wife Joanna (Peson) Hull, who were married in Crewkerne Parish on 11 January 1572/3. There, circa 1618, he married his unknown first wife.”


    7. There’s an incorrect Find-a-Grave entry for Joanna Coffin Hull. See my corrections at bottom. I hope the entry will be corrected because Find-a-Grave is so widely used.


    8. Hull’s marriage to Agnes [surname unknown] is recorded, which allows us to date his first wife’s death to 1631. She died either during childbirth or shortly afterward.

    Name: Agnis
    Gender: Female
    Event Type: Marriage
    Marriage Date: 13 Mar 1633
    Marriage Place: Wells, St Cuthbert, Somerset, England
    Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish
    Spouse: Joseph Hull


    9. Here’s the “Hull Company” 1635 passenger list. It provides the ages of Hull’s children, which allows us to conclude that Agnes, newly married in 1633 at age 23, did not begin having children at age 10.

    1 Joseph Hull of Somerset, minister, aged 40 years.
    2 Agnes Hull, his wife, aged 25 years. Second wife of Mr. Hull
    3 Joane Hull, his daughter, aged 15 years (c 1620)
    4 Joseph Hull, his son, aged 13 years (c 1622)
    5 Tristram, his son, aged 11 years (c 1624)
    6 Elizabeth, his daughter, aged 7 years (c 1626)
    7 Temperance, his daughter, aged 9 years (c 1628)
    8 Gressell, his daughter, aged 5 years (c 1630)
    9 Dorothy, his daughter, aged 3 years (c 1632)

    I’m a retired professor (bet you can tell). I’m tickled that the Hull Colony Passenger List is used as a primary source for teaching history:

    10. Here’s a verified list of Hull’s wives and children, checked against primary sources and reliable, published secondary sources:

    FIRST MARRIAGE: Wife’s name unknown. All 7 children were born in England and died in New England. Children 2-6 were born in Northleigh where their father was rector of St Giles, 1621-32 (source below). Child 7 was born Crewkerne. Child 1 was likely born Crewkerne, but I haven’t found a primary source.

    1. Joanna, b about 1620; m1 Bursley, m2 Davis
    2. Joseph, b about 1622
    3. Tristram, b about 1624; m Blanche
    4. Temperance, b 20 March 1626, Northleigh; m Bickford
    5. Elizabeth, b about 1628; m Heard
    6. Griselda, b about 1630; no record after 1635
    7. Dorothy, b c 1632; m1 Kent, m2 Mathews

    Joseph Hull rector, St Giles 1621-32

    SECOND MARRIAGE: Wife Agnes, surname unknown (See marriage record above).

    8. Hopewell, b about 1636, Weymouth; m Martin
    9. Benjamin, b Mar 1639, Hingham; m York
    10. Naomi (Amy), bapt 23 Mar 1640, Barnstable; m Daniel
    11. Ruth, b May 1641, Barnstable; no further record*
    12. Dodovah, b about 1643; m Seward
    13. Samuel, b about 1645; m Manning; m2 Margaret
    14. (??) Phineas, b about 1647; m1 Hitchcock, m2 Rishworth
    15. Reuben b 23 Jan 1648/9; m Ferniside
    * 16. Ephraim b 13 Feb 1649/50, Cornwell
    * 17. Priscilla b 30 March 1651, Cornwall

    Weygant, Charles. “Hull Family in America.” 1913. Joseph Hull line begins p 245. []

    List is also checked against Hughes’s “Common Errors” and “The Great Migration.”

    We actually know a great deal about this family, particularly because they show up in colonial New England primary sources, which makes it all the more frustrating that 1 man’s admitted speculation more than a century ago now infects family trees worldwide. It’s the genealogical version of Dutch Elm Disease!

    • James kent says:

      Reverand Hulls daughter Dorothy married Oliver Kent my grandfather 10 generations back.oliver and our family lived on the same land on the oyster river plantation Durham hew Hampshire. On of the largest Native American maccacres was on the oyster river plantation 1694 one of my relatives Hannah kent was taken captive.had two relatives in the revoultionary war and one in the civil war .long history thanks to Reverand Hull . James kent .

      • Rachelle says:

        James, I have wanted to do additional research on Rev. Hull’s many children. I didn’t realize that Hannah was taken captive by the Native Americans, but that certainly fits the time and history. I think there was another daughter who accused someone of being a witch. It must have been difficult for all of his children to settle/fit in while Rev. Hull was challenging the norms where ever he went. 400 years later we are still seeing his wake with the many children who survived and made a life here!

      • james kent says:

        The other daughter was Naomi accused of making a cow disappear only recorded witch craft incident in Oyster River.

      • Rachelle says:

        Ah…thanks for refreshing my memory!

    • Rachelle says:

      Hello Jill, Thank you so much for the kind words about my reflections about Rev. Hull. I just found him to be a fascinating man! My name is Rachelle Joy if you would like to change the citation on Wikipedia. Regarding Joanna Coffin Hull, we were all newbie genealogists and I know I am still correcting mistakes I made 12 years ago. I appreciate your diligence and trying to keep the record straight! I would love to read your work, so will go over to Wikipedia to see your entry. Please take care!

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